Financing a new garage
| When I bought our house a little over three years ago, I knew that it would need a new garage and soon. Our current 1 1/2 car garage is situated poorly on the lot, has a bad foundation, siding, electrical, roof, and door frame. It really has no redeeming qualities, as it is literally rotting from the ground up, and the frame is warped. Our garage can easily be classified as an eyesore, especially since it sits within four feet of the curb. Our goal was to build a new garage within a few years of moving in... ideally a two-story, two-car garage, with room for Mr. Savvy to have his Man Room (deer heads, poker table, etc.) in the upper level. Unfortunately, our garage fund was spent on windows last year ($10,000), and we haven't had much luck building it back up since. We don't have any estimates yet, but I'm thinking that we can expect a new garage to set us back at least $25,000, possibly quite a bit more. So, we have almost no cash to finance this new garage, and we already have two mortgages. What are our options? The first one is obviously to wait until we have the money, but that can take a long time. A second option is to take out an additional mortgage or HELOC. I don't want to refinance our first or second mortgages because our interest rates are very favorable (5.375 and 6.125), and it will be difficult to get a HELOC for the amount we need prior to building because we don't have that much equity at this point. A third option, which is less conventional than the other two, is to use the cash from 0% balance transfers to build the garage, with a HELOC as a backup. We could refinance our currently untapped HELOC after the garage is built (with our new appraised value increasing our equity), as a backup should the 0% deals dry up or in case we needed to pay them back on short notice. We aren't in a hurry at this point, but neither do we want to wait. A new garage would make a dramatic difference in our property value, which is a slight negative because we aren't planning to sell anytime soon and our property taxes will go up. The flip side is that Wisconsin winters aren't much fun without a garage to keep our cars in. Mr. Savvy is also excited to get his Man Room above the garage. My next step is to get a property survey done and then to try to get some estimates on what the garage will actually cost. Until then, we need to decide how much, and what type of, debt we are comfortable with. I'd be interested to hear about anyone else's experiences with financing home improvement projects. I'd also like to know if anyone has used 0% BTs this way before. |
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post a commentAnother option could be to borrow money from Prosper.com. Assuming you have AA credit you can get a loan with a rate around 7.5%. The only problem is that they only offer 3 year loans, so if you borrowed $25,000 you could have a hefty payment. Just a thought.
Steve - that's a good suggestion, but I think the three year loan term and the fact that I wouldn't be able to deduct the interest are both big negatives.
Interesting thought process. I am actually (as I write this) in the middle of trying to figure out how to use 0% balance transfers to pay for my wife's nursing school tuition (~20000 worth). The way I currently have it worked out is that we'll pay this June’s tuition using a 0% in my name, then in March of next year transfer to 0% in my wife’s name. This way we will get 2 years of interest free money (~2000 in interest savings). If we don't have it paid off by April of 2008, we'll then shift the remaining debt to a HELOC.
Obviously there is some risk involved in doing this, but I've successfully negotiated the 0% balance transfers before, so I'm hoping this plan works out.
I do have one question for you, Ms. Savvy. I thought I remembered reading that you had transferred credit limits from one Citi card to another (making one credit limit small, the other limit real big). Were you successful in doing this?
True. I would probably use that as a last resort. My preference would be to use the 0% balance transfer money. Then keep moving it to a new card right before the 0% rate is up.
Anonymous- Yes, I was successful with the credit reallocations. I've actually done this twice, most recently I paid off one Citi balance transfer (limit 14,100), and then applied for a new card with a 15 month 0% BT offer. I transferred the first CL to the new card, making me able to take out over $20,000 in BT on that one card.
If you're looking for a shorter-term solution, you could try saving up just to demolish your old garage and get a canopy (like this: http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?categorycode=3021B&mfrcode=MAC&mfrpartnumber=MACENC04) for keeping the cars out of the weather.
I am using a 0% BT as a "bridge" loan between the closing on my new home and the closing on my current house (currently about 5 months apart !!). The other option would have been a second mortgage at 7.75% - this is a no brainer - use the BT.
ummm, how do you get off calling yourself SAVVY?! you have excessive debt and are looking to aquire more?
I'm sorry, Im missing the "savvy" here. Or do you work for the banking industry?
I thought this blog was about living BELOW your means? At least that's what's in the title. In the last few days you've written about first and second mortgages, loans due to family, and having $60,000 in credit card debt. Now you're talking about financing a major home improvement with more credit cards?!?!
I don't think Savvy has excessive debt. I think they only have a first and second mortgage, but no school loans or vehicle loans. Their recent net worth report also indicates that they have no credit card debt outside of balance transfers, all of which they are earning interest on.
I think that funding a garage with a 0% loan could be considered savvy, under the right circumstances.
uhhh, how is that savvy? She also goes on to say that there isn't much equity in the house and then after the garage is redone the property will be worth more and then they can get a HELOC with the new equity.
If that's your opinion on savvy well....ok
ahhh... too many anonymouses...
I'd like to clarify the point about the HELOC since I don't think everyone understood. We currently have a little over $15,000 in equity, and right now have an untapped $15,000 HELOC. After we build the garage, a conservative estimate is that our appraised value would go up by half the value of the gargage. We had one appraiser mention off-handed that it would likely go up the entire value of the new garage simply because our current garage has an almost negative effect on property value due to its condition. So, conservatively, if we spend $20,000 on a garage, using half that has increased equity, we could theoretically take out a $25,000 HELOC when it was done (20,000/2 + 15,000).
I hope that helps!
Savvy, I think that last anonymous doesn't understand how home improvements increase real estate value, which increases equity. I think you need to sleep on this to make sure it is something you are comfortable with, but your logic sounds reasonable.
Let me remind you of something you posted on back on 6/24/2005 about living paycheck-to-paycheck. And I quote, "We've also decided that rather than paying monthly on a loan to build a new garage, we will save for a year and pay cash. It's much more gratifying to save every month than to know our checks are spent before we even get them."
Just providing a little bit of accountability for you. I know things can change and you have the right to change your opinion/perspective, but I thought you might be appreciative of this reminder.
And by the way, I love garages! I used a HELOC to build a huge detached garage at my last home. A friend of mine and I did most of the work ourselves. When I sold that house I think I got every dime and then some out of the garage investment.
slim - good point. Right now we are very far from living paycheck-to-paycheck and have since improved both our income and net worth.
We still haven't decided what to do, but it likely won't be this summer that we do it. We will still get the land survey done and probably some estimates before we decide how to finance the project.
How about saving a ton and building it yourselves, It's a garage for heavens sake.
It's a box with a big ass door.
Garages don't even have to look nice or be all done up.