"passive income" is a misnomer...
| Mr. Savvy and I are recovering from our first weekend as landlords. It wasn't a bad weekend by any means, it was just full of surprises. We made a trip over to the property on Sunday. Mr. Savvy was going to shovel the parking lot (wouldn't you know that we would get our first snowfall the weekend we acquire a new parking lot to shovel), and I was going to vacuum the hall and talk to the residents. I finish vacuuming, and I knock on the door of apartment 3. I wanted them to sign their new lease, as well as to arrange a time for us to install their new water heater next weekend. I was talking to the man of the house about the lease terms and found out two things of interest... 1. They pay $15 more per month than we thought (good). 2. They prepaid their entire lease, through June, to the previous owner (good for previous owner, very bad for me). Here's our conversation... Savvy: As a formality, we will want you to sign a new lease with us, the term and your rent, $x, will not change. Resident: (looking at me like I'm crazy) We actually pay $x+15, and we paid our lease in full when we signed it. Savvy: Really, you pay more than $x? And you prepaid? You have got to be kidding. Resident: I was afraid this would happen. Savvy: Wow, ok. Um, wow, good joke... you can tell me you are kidding at any time. Resident: I'm not joking, I have a copy of the cashiers check in the cabinet. Savvy: I'll make some phone calls and see what I can find out. But I think this would be a really good time to tell me you are joking. Resident: Sorry, not a joke. And our oven doesn't work. Mr. Savvy and I then spent the good part of the afternoon frankensteining a working stove together for them from the stove in an open unit that had a bad burner. (good oven w/bad burner + bad oven w/good burner = one fully functional stove!). We finished up and placed a few phone calls trying to figure out what the heck was going on with this rent payment. Until I saw the cashiers check, I was highly suspicious that they were trying to pull something over on me (my gut said the residents were telling the truth, but I know that I'm just a first-time landlord that has a lot to learn). After getting the tenant ledger from the property management company and supplying the previous owner with both that and a copy of the check, the owner has agreed to cough up the missing rent payments (over $3,000!) once he gets back from vacation. The other upside is that this gave me ammunition to go back to the property management and get more information on the old leases. Turns out the people below them are paying $25 more than we thought. Why none of this was disclosed before, I will never know (I do have the copies of current leases provided by the management company, but they are obviously not complete). Those small amounts could have made a difference (although not much) in what someone was willing to pay for the building and should have been included in the listing and appraisal. Labels: apartment |
Comments on ""passive income" is a misnomer..."
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golbguru said ... (8:31 PM) :
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post a commentMan...it's tough to be landlords.
I am a bit confused in all this....you are the landlord and there is some property management company, and they charged the tenants more than you thought...did I get it right?
Congrats on your new landlord status! Good to know that you had more good surprises than bad...I had a fortune cookie tell me once that "The beginning is always the hardest"...keep up the positivity!
There is a story on This American Life about being a landlord. It basically says don't get to know your tenants because you may one day have to kick them out and if you become friends with them you won't be able too.
It also says that as a landlord you will end up doing everything you can, yelling etc. so you don;t have to resort to setting in motion the eviction process.
Anyway, it is available on iTunes, you should check it out.
golbguru- the previous owners used a property management company. The mgmt co and/or previous owners didn't tell us the correct rent amounts that were being paid, nor did they mention that one tenant prepaid. My suspicion and the suspicion of the tenants is that neither one knew what was going on with the building.
Mr. Savvy and I will be managing it ourselves.
sadicarnot - thanks for the recommendation, I love NPR podcasts. Sadly, my iTunes is broken because of the latest upgrade. I'll check it out as soon as I figure out how to get the latest version working.
I think it is time to reveiw all the closing doc's and anything money related to this property. This is a red flag - in my eyes.
Closing @ the title company should have covered all these issues. Up to date leases and amendments should have been assigned to you with all current information.
As far as the money that was prepaid - everyday the old owner sits on it, regardless if he is on vacation, he should be paying you interest.
Didn't you get a chance to inspect the property and speak with tenants prior to purchase? This is where I find out what repairs and changes I ask for with the old owners.
Take your time and reveiw everything. Be ready when the old owner comes back with a list of wants, that you find.
D- I know what you mean. Up to this point, I had no reason to believe that I wasn't given all the lease documentation. And I never even questioned that a tenant would pre-pay their entire lease, that is just extremely out of the ordinary.
I did speak with tenants prior to the signing, and we had an inspection back in December. Some time after that, the property management company stopped responding to service requests, knowing that they wouldn't be responsible for them after a certain date.
I'm glad to hear the stove and pre-paid rent things are working out for you, now. You sound much more well equipped to handle stuff like this than some of the property owners/management companies I've heard about and delt with.
Didn't you use a lawyer? It's their job to find out all this stuff for you in advance. Even in states where it is unusual, like Florida, to use a lawyer, the dozen or so landlords we know ALWAYS used a lawyer for just the reasons you stated. Good luck getting it all straightened out.
savvy - you might want to get some books on property management. All of the ones I've read recommend getting signed statements from the tenants (regarding lease, terms, deposits) during the due diligence period... speaking of which, are you straightened out with deposits amounts and state regulations surrounding deposits? At the very least, the Property Management for Dummies book is worth reading. I checked mine out from the library. And get a copy of your state's landlord/tenant law (usually free or low cost).
I think you're discovering there's a lot more to property management than collecting the rent. Good luck!
Sounds like you lost the "passive" part of the "passive income" when you decided to manage it yourself. For better or worse, it seems to me that you have a part to full-time job depending on how many tenants you have and the condition of the property.
OK, I'll try and be light. Landlord +'s lots of stuff.... Good... Bad... Ugly. At this point in the cycle why not try a nice dividend prodi=ucing stock? Stocks don't call you at 2:00 am about a toilet (which their 3 year year old plugged to see what would happen). I am challenged by this sans tenants... :-)
The primary reason real estate is typically a better investment than dividend paying stocks is leverage. Savvy, if she made a wise investment and manages it well, will gain appreciation and equity from investing someone else's money.
Good luck, Savvy! As someone who started investing in real estate a few years ago, I can tell you it gets easier with time and experience and you won't regret it.
It is hard to create passive income by real estete... but only in first year.. You can create money online (if you are child) and try make real money in future