Caught by the Patriot Act
| Over the last two weeks I've had two accounts at separate institutions flagged for review, and three checks frozen, under the guise of the Patriot Act. In both occurrences, I was flagged due to large deposits (in the tens of thousands). In both cases, these large transactions were NOT out of my normal usage pattern - I often move money around to chase rates and take advantage of 0% balance transfer offers. In one case, I had three checks, all from CitiCard, held until the funds could be verified. One of the questions I had to answer was related to our income. It doesn't make sense to me that they correlate income to account balances (anyone who reads personal finance blogs knows that cash, net worth, and total assets isn't directly related to a person's income). These weren't personal checks, nor cash deposits, nor were they hand-written checks, but rather checks from a credit card company, complete with amount and payee preprinted. In addition to flagging these checks, my account was frozen until the "income verification" took place. This was at a local credit union. The second institution that put a hold on one of my deposits did so until I provided a photocopy of my drivers license, as well as a statement from the account the deposit originated from. They did not freeze my entire account, however they threatened to if they didn't hear from me within a week. Thank goodness my spam filter didn't filter out the email from them. This was from a large online bank, one which has received much larger deposits from me in the past. I just don't understand the amount of scrutiny. I'm sure there are many other legitimate reasons for moving around tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands, of dollars at any given time (real estate transactions, rate chasing, moving money into/out of the stock market, etc). I don't appreciate the government meddling in personal affairs without a more concrete reason, and I don't look forward to the day when an opportunity is missed because some bank was told they need to put a hold on my money due to security reasons. |
Comments on "Caught by the Patriot Act"
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Hazzard said ... (1:23 PM) :
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Shaun said ... (1:26 PM) :
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MONEY BLUE BOOK said ... (2:52 PM) :
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savvy said ... (2:58 PM) :
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MONEY BLUE BOOK said ... (2:26 AM) :
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Wyliemoney said ... (7:44 PM) :
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Jerry said ... (11:59 AM) :
post a commentAll I can say is WOW.
I've moved sums over $10K more than a few times and often wondered if that triggered any reviews. All of my activities were completely legitimate though (obviously).
I've never experienced what you went through. Seems like a fairly large burden to put on someone with no probable cause.
I agree with you. I don't want to government messing around in my finances. I've routinely moved tens of thousands of dollars around when buying houses. So far, my transactions have never been stopped, but who knows.
FYI, even before the Patriot Act, federal banking regulations required banks to report all transactions of $10,000 or more. They didn't actually stop them from going through, but they had to make a note of them. This was supposedly to help combat money laundering.
Do you have some connection to the Middle East perhaps?
-Raymond (MONEY BLUE BOOK)
Raymond - If I did does that mean I can't take advantage of 0% credit card balance transfers? I know lots of people with connections to the middle east... family, friends, education, birth place, travel destination, etc, that may sometime buy or sell a house or inherit money they'd like to deposit in a bank.
Hello Savvy,
Certainly not. One's origins and family relationships ordinarily shouldn't be considered in such unrelated financial matters, but I think after 9/11, times have certainly changed - for the worse it seems.
Our lives will never quite be the same again as the government has taken upon itself to scrutinize our activities more for suspicious activity. I sympathize with innocent bystanders with connections to that region for they're the ones bearing the brunt of the scrutiny. And it's not something that is going away anytime soon...
Disconcerting thought isn't it?
-Raymond (MONEY BLUE BOOK)
That is a bummer. I try and never move more than $9000 in a single transaction for this very reason. If you can move $18,000 in two $9000 transactions over two days, that might avoid this kind of interference in the future, but I know that is not always possible.
And to follow up on Raymond's comment, I think he's right that times have changed. If you don't like how times have changed, pay attention to elections and vote!
All the best,
Wylie
http://wyliemoney.blogspot.com/
I have a friend who is on the verge of losing his company because his primary investor has had his money flagged (and held) -- not because he has any affiliation with suspect groups, not because there is anything shady which could lead to suspicion, but simply because of the size of his transactions. Thanks to this federal overzealousness, an excellent business could very well go under, placing some 30 people out of work and without health insurance coverage. It makes me sick to my stomach.
Jerry
www.leads4insurance.com